Prism Synapse review?

Hello,
maybe you can take a look at www.lenkdrachenfliegen.de - there are a lot of 2line-kites like you're looking for. I hope you understand german at least a little bit.
Dirk is also member of this forum (named sugarrunner) and he's testing 2linekites very often.

yours
Stephan

Meanwhile I've found a maybe helpfull thread in this forum: Einsteiger Lenkmattentest

Yours
Stephan

ok - everything well done!
Unfortunately I can't help you anymore...

I hope you find more help here (fingers crossed )!

Stephan

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I don't want a kite too fast, but I like to have decent pull.

As you haven't mentioned that you are specifically looking for a 2-line-kite:

Have you considered taking a look at 4-line-foilkites?
Depending on model and size you might just find what you are looking for.
(Not to mentioon the additional control which lets you land the kite precisely where you want it to.)

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Being able to stop the kite just ruins the game, from my point of view.

Interesting point of view.
Although I don't quite understand it as you don't have to stop the kite if you don't want to.
But what's wrong with being able to land a kite right in the powerzone in stronger winds (and being able to keep it there) without the help of another person?
Unless you have someone to help, it can be rather annoying to land a 2-line-foilkite at the edge of the window in stronger winds as it often gets blown towards the powerzone with a great potential to get launched again when you don't want it to.
And if you don't like the much enhanced manoeuvrability of a 4-line-foilkite, you always have the choice of flying it in the air like a 2-liner by not actuating the lower brake lines. Still, you can use them for landing.

Of course it's up to you and your choice should always be based on personal preference.

I just wonder one thing:

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I looked at the 4-lines kites

Have you ever actually flown one? Or did you really just look at them?
If the latter is the case then I claim that you don't know what it is really like to fly one.
My suggestion would be to find and meet other 4-line-flyers where you live in order to try a 4-line-foil without having to purchase one. This way you get to experience what it can be like and afterwards you have a better base for a well-founded purchase decision.

Just a recommendation. The rest is up to you.

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I never needed a second person to land my kite or foils

So far, me neither. But in certain conditions, it can be very cumbersome to keep a 2-line-foil from relaunching.

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But I have never flown with strong wind (>30km/h).

Flying in 50+ km/h, you might start changing your opinion about certain things.

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if I have a doubt I use a ground anchor

That's pretty much pointless with a 2-line foil.
If both lines are attached to it, it can easily just launch (unless the kite is weighted to the ground).
If only one line is attached it can start looping.
And if there's not enough wind for it to do one of the above, then you don't need a groundstake anyway.

Use of a groundstake makes sense when using 4-line-foils, 2- and 4-line-stuntkites (the ones with rods), and depowerkites.

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for me, flying a kite/foil must be sort of a challenge. I need to stay focused,

That's absolutely fine.

But for some reason you seem to think that flying 4-line-kites are less of a challenge and don't require to stay as focused as with 2-liners. In my opinion this is a misconception.
The reason whether it'll be a challenge or not has more to do with the speed, pull, and character of a kite.
A bigger kite in more wind will give you challenge enough (provided you don't overdo it). Same goes for the speed of a kite.
What I mean to say is that 2 lines don't necessarily give you more of a challenge than 4 lines. Or better: 4 lines don't give you less of challenge than 2-lines.
Both can be a lot of fun. But you can do a lot more with a 4-line-foil in the long run, which means it won't get boring after some time (as quite a lot of flyers have experienced at some point in time) (
And you could fly a 4-liner just like a 2-liner by not making use of the additional lines (unless you want to).
The other way around is more difficult (=> not possible ).

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to convince you. Just wanted to point out something that I feel you have a wrong perception of as you never seem to have flown a 4-line-foil before.

Anyway, you have something that you can take into consideration if you want to.
If not, that's fine as well and I hope you find the kite that suits your needs.

Thats no bad idea .
I' ve fixed breaklines at an Elliot Sigma Fun 2.0 and it flies much better because I can controle it much better. Easier to land and more precise to fly. But I can still 'let it go' like the 2-line-version.
But you need a sewing machine an a little time... .

Good luck!
Stephan

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Are you really sure?

Yes.
You can only convince yourself.
And if you don't to have a look at 4-liners and buy a 2-liner straight away, that's ok. It's your decision.

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What model do you have in mind that does not drag me on the beach and not too slow in a moderate wind? A converted Symphony 2.2?

Unless you have fun converting a 2-line-foil and really know what you are doing, my recommendation would be to get a 4-line-foil that was sold as such.
Not knowing how strong you are and how much pull you want, I can not give a recommendation in size as this also depends on the model to a certain degree.

That's why I also recommended to meet with other flyers so you can test what they already have without having to purchase kites yourself.
If you live close to Germany, you might be able to get in contact with people over this forum.

Have a look at the following kites:

Elliot Magma (allround)
Elliot Lava (intermediate; not produced anymore)
HQ Alpha (beginner)
HQ Beamer (allround)
Cooper Rookee (beginner)
Cooper Nexxt One (allround-intermediate)
Libre/Zebra Z1 (allround)
Libre/Zebra Z2 (intermediate; not produced anymore)

Those are just a few models and I might very well have overlooked one or the other.
From the above mentioned, I could only tell you about an Elliot Lava 2.2 (I own one) and a Coope Nexxt One 200 (very nice kite) which I was able to try out from another user in this forum.

(I intentionally left out high performance models, as they could be more of a challenge than you are looking for.)

Now the choice is yours.

Not knowing what videos you have watched, I can't make a comment on what you have seen.

My suggestions were based on what you described in the first post of this thread:

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I don't want a kite too fast, but I like to have decent pull.

How much pull you get really depends on the windspeed, the model, and the size of the kite.
And as I have already said in my previous post, I don't know how strong you are and how much pull you want, therefore I can't give any recommendations regarding size.

If you want less pull, get a smaller kite. (Yes, it's that simple. ).
They are also faster.

A small Cooper Nexxt One would do.
And if you still want something faster, then get a small Cooper Motor.

But seeing your reactions regarding 4-line-foils, you may in fact be better off with a 2-liner.

You have plenty of information now to make a decision and I've written more than enough.

Would be nice if you let us know, what kite you will acquire.

Bonne chance.

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And I though that I already gave the necessary infos (Ok, some on my first post), I weigh about 75kg, fly mostly with a moderate force wind (15-25km/h)

I was fully aware of that before replying for the first time.
Still, knowing you weight does not tell me how strong you are and how much pull you exactly want.
Because this...

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but I like to have decent pull.

...is very relative and may vary from one person to another (even if both weigh around 75 kg).

That's the reason why I didn't suggest a specific size.
Reading what you wrote in your last posts, I can just recommend to you to go for at least one size smaller.

That's all I have for you now.